Why is gay marriage still not legal?
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By Phil Grech | gargoyle@flagler.edu
“When you call yourself an Indian or a Muslim or a Christian or a European, or anything else, you are being violent. Do you see why it is violent? Because you are separating yourself from the rest of mankind. When you separate yourself by belief, by nationality, by tradition, it breeds violence. So a man who is seeking to understand violence does not belong to any country, to any religion, to any political party or partial system; he is concerned with the total understanding of mankind.” – Krishnamurti
I had no idea he was engaged, but in 2011, when I found out he married the person he had devoted his life to for the last 15 years, I was elated. The two St. Augustine residents decided to marry for a common reason:
“We wanted to get married because we plan on being together for our lifetime and wanted to have a ceremony (wedding) to mark the years we have been together. Also to show our love and commitment to each other for the future.”
Simple and beautiful enough, but because Dan (who declined to use his real name or disclose his profession) and his partner are gay, they had to travel to Washington D.C. to get married, and then return to a state where their devotion is not legally recognized.
Dan and his partner are both handsome, successful, well-spoken, moral individuals. They lead a fairly quiet life and enjoy spending time with their families when not working. Most people seem to be fine with their sexual orientation, but it’s still a hot topic in contemporary America and one that has gained a lot of spotlight attention due to the November election and recent, polemical statements made by Chick-Fil-A’s CEO.
I agree with Dan when he says, “I feel we live in a country where you should be able to marry the person you love whether a man or woman.” Marriage is about love. For many people, marriage is a union between two individuals who wish to share their love and devotion for the rest of their lives, but for many others, it is the same love and devotion, but add the religious recognition.
And that is the basis for most arguments opposing gay marriage: religion. But if religion is the reason homosexuals cannot get married in America, why are atheists, agnostics, Muslims, or any other non-Christian allowed to? This seems a little silly considering many in the LGBT community are Christian.
Some other questions I have a hard time getting a reasonable response include:
Why are homosexuals denied the same legal rights and privileges that heterosexuals enjoy?
Should we, as voting citizens, minimize the significance of their lifelong relationships so that the government could tax them at higher rates, deny them health insurance, and withhold from them life insurance and social security benefits?
Should we deny them legal custody of their biological children based solely on their sexuality?
What if Dan or his partner experience a serious medical problem, but hospital visitation rights are not granted?
The above questions immediately polarize the nation. Arguing ensues, slippery slope arguments are pulled out, and soon enough the yelling is too loud to make sense of. Meanwhile, very few ever hear the voices or see the faces of people like Dan who are the very subjects of debate.
People often ask me why as a straight male I support gay rights. I find this question equivalent to asking me why 100 years ago I might support black or women’s rights.
Of course the issue of African-American and women’s right today seems like an odd comparison. Why should blacks or women not have equal rights? We grant them rights because they are human; they are people. Seems like common sense, right? Today, anyone opposing rights for these groups would rightly be labeled a bigot.
I believe that one day homosexuals will share the same rights as heterosexuals and that 100 years later people will look back with wonder as to why the LGBT community was not given what was rightfully theirs. As Dan says, “I think some Americans will always be split, but do believe it will be legalized.”
As stated above, reasons why homosexuals should not get married are abundant and usually religion-based. Scriptures are cited in condemnation of homosexuality, but are also often shouted in the faces of people like Dan who are simply trying to live their lives. In past times, scriptures were also cited as to why other minority groups were to be considered inferior and undeserving of rights.
Instructions on how to treat one’s slaves are in the bible (Leviticus 25:44-46 for one). Numerous instructions detailing and exemplifying women’s supposed inferiority are outlined in the bible (1 Timothy 2:11-14 for one). According to Deuteronomy 22:13-21, if a woman is not a virgin when she gets married, she should be stoned to death. Today thankfully, most people no longer weave these verses into their moral fabric.
This introduces a powerful question: at one point do Christians separate what the Bible instructs from what they actually practice? Certainly very few, if any, Christians have adopted a complete adherence to Biblical instruction, but the person who has would most likely be in jail for having stoned a person for breaking the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-36).
While many of the Bible’s teachings are no longer regarded as being culturally relevant, why are other teachings still followed? Why are some instructions morally ambiguous, but when it comes to homosexuality, everything is transparent?
Why is homosexuality the hot topic in America when the Bible references its moral implications fewer than ten times (with no mentions from Jesus), but obesity is rarely discussed despite dozens of Biblical references condemning gluttony? Certainly obesity kills more people annually than homosexuality.
Many of us are aware of the arguments opposing gay marriage. Some claim it will lead to man and horse in unholy, bestiality-embraced union with tax benefits, but until horses gain opposable thumbs and are able to sign legally binding contracts, this humanity dooming, unconstitutional crisis remains out of the spectrum of possibility.
Others claim gay marriage will create homosexual children, which, while obviously presupposing there is something “wrong” with homosexuality, also does not make sense. Whether two men or two women, neither can biologically produce offspring.
In the case of a gay couple adopting children, there is absolutely no scientific evidence suggesting that a child raised in a homosexual household will “turn” gay. Why? Because no one makes the decision to become gay because it seems like a great choice to be mistreated, physically and emotionally abused, and denied love.
One of the most popular remarks against homosexuality is that it is unnatural. Firstly, homosexuality is not unnatural, but secondly, as human beings we do not make decisions based on whether something is natural or unnatural. Things that are unnatural include getting a haircut, driving a car, and watching television. Who is willing to give those up in the name of forsaking all that is unnatural?
A thorough examination on the issue of gay rights and gay marriage yields no support for those in opposition. Anyone opposing equal rights for another human does not deserve the rights they are attempting to withhold from others. It took us centuries to get where we are today; why are so many trying to slow our progress? Who can provide a legitimate reason as to why Dan and his partner should not be allowed the same rights as their heterosexual peers?
Today we look back and wonder, “Why didn’t we give women and minorities rights all those years ago? How full of confusion, misunderstanding, and hate were those people?” Future generations will wonder the same about us. They will be baffled as to how many reasons and how much propaganda could be dispersed to suppress a group of people. Unfortunately, it may be too late for Dan and his husband to enjoy the rights we take for granted today.




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Also, look at Rome’s bloodthirst. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
I love to hear ‘Live and Let Live’. Let’s operate under the assumption that people are born gay. I’m not saying they are or they aren’t; the research isn’t out yet (or at least nobody here has posted it). So we should accept a person’s lifestyle because they are born that way, nothing’s wrong with it and so long as they’re not hurting anybody it’s fine.
Well, I would like to remind you of a few other people from recent history who were just living and letting live: Bernie Madoff, Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, and the list goes on. Well, they were born that way too, weren’t they? They were just living and letting live too, weren’t they? Oh wait, they hurt people. But here’s the problem I mentioned previously with moral relativism: it changes. It changes based upon who or what political party is in power, how many people say so, etc. These examples are extreme, but look at the history of Nazi Germany. You had an entire culture OK with mass execution. With Bernie Madoff, the government does the same thing except with police authority and we have not recourse. If you tell people a lie enough times, it becomes the truth with moral relativism.
I would say the ‘live and let live so long as it doesn’t hurt me’ philosopy is flawed. Especially because there are people with other beliefs who homosexuality does negatively affect. What about those folks? I guess they’re just bigots and homophobes-at least until congress outlaws homosexuality or people in that school of thought in the minority, right?
Its not a solution in search of a problem… Single is not considered a desired status and therefore its assumed temporary. Widows, Widowers are increasingly finding themselves in bad situations as are divorced people. The assumption is they will find love again therefore their rights are not considered important, as its a temporary problem.
If you go back and read my thread you will see very clearly that I argue the use of the term marriage violates the establishment clause particularly the “infringe on the free practice of” portion. Christianity is an easy example the Apostle Paul writes “It is good for man to be married” in the same book he declares homosexual desires to be a perversion and sin, acting on these desires is not a good state for the Christian. If gay marriage is allowed “It is good to be married” has a completely new definition incongurent with the intent of the author. At that point the church absolutely must come up with a new word for it and make it clear which is an almost impossible task.
If you go back to the 19th Century Rulings on Marriage the majority opinion clearly states it is a religious institution that happens to encourage pro-creation, and is in the best interest of society for stability and family systems. The institution should exist as defined by the state only in so much as it encourages stability for the next generation of society. Keep in mind this was the ruling that said polygamy is out. Marriage is an institution to provide stability to children… Frankly I find the polygamy question more challenging than the gay question, I still dont support it.
Mike,
Let’s just suspend the idea of rights for a moment. There are really no such things as rights. The powers that be may allow this or that. If God was in charge we would all have the right to live as He/She/It has designed us. Now I think I have lost you in the pronouns.
Keep up the good fight. When this life is over we’ll all be the same. I hope you find utopia, and there are no gay marriages to ruin your experience. How amazing; Right!
While we are all able to still draw breath (a privilege not guaranteed to anyone), can’t we at least be decent to our fellow travelers?
Your last post, with regard to single’s rights, is a solution in search of a problem. I have never heard of a ballot initiative seeking to limit the rights of singles. Hugh Hefner would certainly be a “player”. See singles are one group of people that answers to no-one. Have you ever heard a single person complain about his/her wife/husband?
Unfortunately, I have heard of ballot initiatives on a state level seeking to curtail the rights of your neighbors. Yes!, Your neighbors are dangerous with there non-conforming partnerships and they must be stopped at all costs.
While we are able to still draw breath, even if we stumble and fall always searching for the meaning of this life… We can support each other…!
That’s what Phil is saying…Live and let live…Before it’s too late.
My first and only love passed away this year in April. I miss her greatly. But not even a tiny bit more than others that have loved and lost. See, I’m not so special. Love is a universal feeling and it is present in everybody. Enjoy it and don’t deny it to other consenting adults. Please, Act more like Jesus.
Everyone hang on to your beliefs! But at the same time believe in the goodness of people. If you find love in this planet you are lucky. I’m so lucky!
Gur math a thèid leibh,
M F
Certainly some rights I believe these rights should be extended to single people because, flatly they shouldn’t be left to a special class.
Estate Planning Benefits
Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to a designated person, including QTIP trusts,
Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for the single person to a designated person — that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your behalf.
Employment Benefits (Possibly)
Taking family leave to care a single person by a designated person during an illness.
Medical Benefits
A designated person is allowed to visit in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
Making medical decisions by a designated person if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.
Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
Making burial or other final arrangements.
Family Benefits
Suing a third person for wrongful death of a single person
Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.